answer of which I kept no copy. I writ a letter, desiring not to take lodgings, and that I would explain myself more particularly when I had seen Mr. Stuart. Mr. Macleane. Did you not write another, implying, that you could not go to Paris to call me to account, for fear of the Bastile, and of injuring his evidence?-I did not write such a letter. The first letter I wrote was after talking with lord Halifax, who advised me to go back to Paris, and I said I would not, and wrote 14th December, 1764. Lord Halifax asked me, "What colour I would give to my journey to London, that I might not be suspected of bringing intelligence? Should it not be thought, seeing my friends?"-I said, there was another more plausible the vacancy of a physician to the Charter-house. I wrote to Mr. Macleane, to let him know there was no chance of a physician to the Charter-house, and desired the same lodging. I mentioned this to lord Halifax. How many hours was you from leaving Paris to be on board at Calais ?-I left Paris at seven o'clock in the morning, on Friday. I lay at Bologne on Saturday night; I got to Calais, and went on board at twelve o'clock on Sunday. Was not you at your window in your lodgings at one o'clock on Friday, the day you mention you left Paris?-No; I was not. I set out at seven o'clock in the morning. What was your motive for first going to Mr. Fitzherbert?—I had heard from Mr. Hartly, that D'Eon's overtures had been made to Mr. Fitzherbert; and therefore thought him the properest person to ask, whether it had or no. Did you ask Mr. Fitzherbert, whether he had such overtures from D'Eon?-I do not remember the particular conversation, but Mr. Fitzherbert's conversation admitted and implied it. Do you recollect the overtures supposed to have been made by D'Eon to Mr. Fitzherbert? They were, as I understand, to accuse two privy counsellors of having received money for the peace. Sir George Yonge. Where was the meeting of sir George Yonge, Mr. Fitzherbert, and you?-I found sir George Yonge at Mr. Fitzherbert's at breakfasttime-I am sure sir George Yonge was there. From whom had you the information of D'Eon's overtures?-The first was from general Conway. He first gave me a hint of it. 8 What was that hint?When I told him the story, Mr. Conway asked me if I had seen D'Eon; he said, "I hear he has dropped hints." I told him "I never would see him. I said, I will avoid all possibility of concert with any one." After this, I went to Mr. Hartly, and desired him to enquire. He desired first to consult sir George Saville. Sir George Saville came to us; I could not tell him the particulars, but only that there was such a charge. Sir George Saville thought it was right to consult the duke of Newcastle. He went to him. I was not present; but I heard, that the duke of Newcastle said, Fox was rogue enough to do any thing, but thought he was not fool enough to do this. The duke said, he could not advise them to meddle in it, for D'Eon will be bribed, and then you will be left in the lurch. I heard this conversation from sir George Saville, or Mr. Hartly; from one of them, in the presence of the other. They both went to the duke of Newcastle. Mr. Conway. What was the nature of his first application to me?-The nature of my first application to Mr. Conway was, I wanted to know how to convey a letter to lord Hertford, not to be opened, to enquire whether the informant was apprehended. I had designed presenting a paper to the House of Commons, setting forth the information. He asked me the particulars, and said he would not encou rage such application to the House of Commons without a shadow of probability; and then asked if I had heard that D'Eon had dropped hints, and whether I would go to him. I said, No; I would not. Conway added, at the same time, "I think it the duty of every man to come at truth in every station." Mr. Had you then any reason to believe that D'Eon had evidence to corroborate your information?—No; not at that time; it was from Mr. Conway that I first heard that D'Eon had dropped hints; but I think he mentioned it, as having it only from report, not as knowing it; as a casual matter of conversation. When was this conversation?-Ninth of January, 1765, the day before the opening of the session. Had he then communicated the matter to his Majesty's ministers?-Not to lord Halifax, only to lord Holdernesse. I said I was under apprehensions for the safety of my informant, and therefore had concealed the absurd design of presenting my petition, which I gave up. Was not this previous to the information given to lord Halifax, and before you knew any thing of D'Eon's evidence? The first time (9th January) was previous to hearing any thing of D'Eon, but I went and conversed with Mr. Conway several times after; and, after I had been acquainted with D'Eon's overtures, he saw lord Hertford's letters and answers, and approved of them. Did I not refuse to transmit the letter? -You did; but said it was a proper letter. I wrote four letters from Holland to Mr. Conway, but never received any answer. Did you ever give any further information to lord Hertford than in the four let ters read?-No. Had you any intimacy with your informants at Paris?-It would be improper to answer that question, but they are men of credibility. Had you any other information of D'Eon's overtures, but from general Conway? The first intimation was from gen. Conway; then I applied to Mr. Hartly. Mr. Hartly told me, that D'Eon's letter was sent to Mr. Fitzherbert. Afterwards he informed me more fully, and named the two privy counsellors and the lady. He said, the lady is the Princess of Wales. I said, it cannot be, because my informant would not have forgot the name; and named another lady, the mistress of a man of quality. Why did not you pursue the enquiry at the second meeting?—I did not go to Mr. Fitzherbert again, because I was satisfied, and thought no further authority necessary; that he could not say it lightly to a stranger he never saw before. Did not you require particulars of the information?—I wanted only to settle the fact, whether overtures had been made. But whether they had been made or no, I then thought it was the magistrate who was to enquire into the matter. Had you any reason to think that overtures had been made by D'Eon except from conversations with Mr. Conway and Mr. Hartly before your first seeing Mr. Fitzherbert?--I had none. Did you understand overtures were made by D'Eon directly, or through another person?-That was never explained. Mr. Blackstone. Are you sure I directed you to go to lord Halifax ?—Not directly to lord Halifax. Dr. Blackstone said, "you must by all means go to the ministry. It is an affair of an alarming nature." He sent three days after to know if I had been; for he said, "if you had not, I should think myself obliged, as a servant to the crown, to go and give it myself." Did not I use topics of discouragement?-He said, "I pity you for what you must go through." That was all. Mr. Fitzherbert. What words did I Do you understand this overture of use to you?-I cannot say the precise D'Eon's was contained in a letter to Mr. words used by Mr. Fitzherbert, as to the Fitzherbert?-Mr. Hartly told me so. I two privy counsellors; but after 1 had met him in a chair, and he said, all I have mentioned their names, he acquainted me heard is, that D'Eon's letter was sent to they were the persons named by D'Eon, Fitzherbert; that Mr. Pitt had been con- and then asked if I had heard nothing of sulted, and had written a letter, dissuading the Princess of Wales. I said no. And them from proceeding. Mr. Hartly never then he made the answer I mentioned betold it me from his own knowledge. fore, which, I think, implied an acquies Are you sure that this information was contained in D'Eon's letter?—No. Mr. Hartly never informed me how he came by the information, but said it was contained in a letter to Mr. Fitzherbert. Afterwards he named the two lords, but not from whom he heard it. Did you ask Mr. Fitzherbert the particulars of the information received from D'Eon ?—Our conversation was not above five or six minutes, when captain Hamilton interrupted it. Mr. Fitzherbert seemed disposed to continue the conversation in his presence, and asked me the employment of my informant. So I took my leave, thinking Mr. Fitzherbert's authority sufficient. cence. Was my answer confined only to the two noblemen?—I cannot recollect his words, but from the tenor of our conversation he acquiesced. Did you apprehend my information went to any one else?-After the names of the noblemen were mentioned, he then said, "Did you hear nothing of the Princess of Wales?" I said No. Mr. Fitzherbert replied, "D'Eon says, the Princess of Wales had some of the money." Mr. Blackstone. I took a minute of what passed between us; which I will mention to Dr. M. I took it immediately and communicated it the same day to an intimate friend, and it has never since been out of my custody. [The reading of this paper postponed for a short time.] Did you shew this intelligence to any other person?-Mr. Hartly desired leave to shew it to lord Rockingham, and to the duke of Portland; but I do not recollect any other person. I never saw either of those noblemen. Did you at any time before your advertisement, which has been read, shew it to any other person?-Mr. Conway and colonel Barré. I did not shew it to sir Joseph Yorke, but talked on it to him at the Hague. Did you explain it to him?-Only what it related to. I shewed it to sir John Cust, and left it with him a week. Not to Dr. Markham, but mentioned it to him. To Dr. Barrington I did. Not to the bishop of Gloucester. Did any person, to whom you shewed it, deem it worthy of credit or foundation to proceed upon it?-Dr. Blackstone desired me to carry it to the ministry. Sir John Cust said it ought to be enquired into. Mr. Conway said every man, in every station, should do all in his power to bring it to light. This he said when he was out of place. Colonel Barré. At what time did you come to colonel Barré ?-On the 12th or 13th of May 1765. He said, "I do not believe the charge. Is there not foundation to enquire on?" He said, "to be sure, many plots have been found out in England upon less foundation; but I do not believe it." Many other things might shewing it to me; and in return, I think it right to give you advice, and that is, that you think well before you go on such dangerous ground?"-I do not recollect it, but it might be so. Lord Beauchamp. Did not you go to France to get information on this point on purpose?—No; I went there with no such intent. Are you sure lord Halifax told you that he thought lord Hertford should have proceeded on that information ?-Lord Halifax said, "If I had been lord Hertford I should have sent to - to know what he had to say." If the French subjects had been examined, would they have answered?—I left that to chance; if they had denied it, I should have done with it. Did you not intimate that one of the informants expected an establishment in this country before he would give information?-When I talked with Mr. Conway, he said, "You may depend upon it the man will not discover without an assurance of being taken care of in England." It did not come from me, but Mr. Conway. Was not the second informant a person in very indigent circumstances?—I cannot answer that directly, but by another question, "Whether lord Beauchamp did for that reason think him unworthy of his acquaintance?" Mr. Blackstone. [Producing a minute taken immediately after Dr. Musgrave had been with him, the 10th of May, 1765, at half past eleven o'clock in the morning.] Dr. Musgrave came and shewed me a written conversation between him and Mr. Le Beau, in the latter end of 1763; where he declared, that it was believed at Paris that lord Bute had received money for the peace; and many other conversations with another French embassador. The sum of the account was this; that eight or ten millions of livres had been remitted by a French banker, just before the duke of Bedford went to France. That this was divided between lord B. Mr. F. and a lady, name not mentioned; and that Mr. D'Eon or Mr. Descalier, could inform him of particulars. He also shewed me lord Holland's letters and answers. He told me he had communicated it to general Conway, and that he had learned from Mr. Fitzherbert that D'Eon tells the same story, except that he mentions the Princess of Wales, which Dr. Musgrave observed might be no inconsistency, if a do not remember I said any thing at that time. The doctor came and told me this story. I will do myself the justice to tell all I knew at that time, though I do not recollect I told it him. We were then a good many of us in a society in Albermarle-street. I had an office in that so maid of honour's name only was made use of, and the money paid over by her to the princess dowager of Wales. Dr. Musgrave seemed to be attached to D'Eon's cause, and believed the story of his assassination being attempted by count de Guerchy, and his coffers being searched. He asked me if this was sufficient to jus-ciety. When he had told me all he had tify bringing it before the secretary of state. As our acquaintance was small, I was surprised. I told him that the affair was delicate, both as to things and persons, and that he should well consider the consequences if his friend should deny it. He said his friend was a man of honour, and knew he left Paris for that purpose. I begged to be excused advising him, but he would do right to consider, that it would depend on the conviction of his own mind, and his friend's veracity. It was equally a duty to disclose such a transaction on good foundation, and to stifle it in the birth, if founded on malice or ignorance. We parted, and he seemed inclined to proceed. I do not recollect the conversation he mentions three days after. It might be. I thought him such an enthusiast as might have disordered his imagination. Mr. Speaker. The honourable gentleman delivered to me a copy of the paper he has now read; which has been in iny custody ever since. Dr. Musgrave. As to the second conversation, Dr. Blackstone will recollect it if I shew him his note, desiring me to come to him. I have not that note about me, but I am sure it is still in my possession. I do not know what Mr. Blackstone thinks of my enthusiasm; but I remember he trembled, seemed much affected, and let the paper drop, as in great agitation. Sir George Yonge. After I had expressed my surprise at his coming to me, he told me he had laid the matter before lord Halifax, who was willing to receive information from any gentleman whatever. He pressed it so strongly that I thought he came with a message, but he did not say that. I said, "If lord Halifax will send for me I will wait on him, but I know nothing at all of the matter, with regard to the second meeting at Mr. Fitzherbert's, nor did I know he had told the story to Mr. Fitzherbert till I saw it in the papers." Mr. Fitzherbert. I never remember being in the same room with sir George Yonge and Dr. Musgrave. Dr. Musgrave came and talked in the same stile, and told me the story he says I told him. I to say, I wished to change the subject; he would not; so I told all I knew of it. Captain Cole, a gentleman of great admittance, had come to me, and said, D'Eon desires me to tell you he is apprehensive of being taken away by force, on account of a quarrel with count Guerchy, in which ministry would assist him. He desired me to communicate it to the society, which I did. He recommended D'Eon as an agreeable man. I communicated it to sir George Yonge, and desired him to go with me, because he could speak French, which I could not easily. No day was appointed. We never did meet. I never knew Mr. D'Eon: I never received a letter from him. As to going on with the conversation and naming the Princess of Wales, I have nothing to say to that, I have no trace of it in my memory: it must depend on our veracity; nor had I any direct message, but from captain Cole, from D'Eon, as to his apprehensions of being taken away. Mr. Speaker. Dr. Musgrave, would you ask these gentlemen, or either of them, any questions? Dr. Musgrave. I was not prepared for these answers: and I have no questions to ask them; only of Mr. Fox one question. [To Mr. Fox.] Had you any conversation with Mr. Hartly, or Mr. Tyrwhit, on this occasion? Never; directly or indirectly. Dr. Musgrave. Mr. Hartly could give the House information on this subject. Is he here?-No; he is out of town. Mr. Macleane. In the year 1764, Mr. Stuart and I went to Paris, in April; Mr. Stuart was ill, and desired to be attended by an English physician. I did not know Dr. Musgrave at that time. On enquiry, I found two English physicians there, Dr. Gem and Dr. Musgrave; I then went to Dr. Musgrave, and he attended Mr. Stuart as his physician. In that attendance he very abruptly told me he had a secret of the utmost importance. The next day he mentioned it again, and before Mr. Stuart he said, that the peace had been sold; that a million of money was paid for it; one half to the Princess of Wales, and the other half to lord Holland and lord Bute. I said it was a great secret indeed, but he ought to have good authority, as they were names of weight. I told him, I wondered he should trust his secret to me, a stranger to him. He said, we agreed perfectly in political sentiments, and therefore he mentioned it. I advised him to be cautious. He said he was certain, and told me who were his intelligencers, and that from the nature of their offices, they could not receive any hurt from it. When he told me who his intelligencer was, I pressed upon him why it could have no foundation in truth, that I had sufficient reason to wish him to conceal it, and desired him to conceal it, and desired him to call on me before he left Paris. Among other reasons I used, was that which he mentions in his narrative, came from him. I mentioned Le Borde's intimacy with two persons acquainted with the peace, and therefore probably it might be for that purpose. He told me he should leave Paris in a few days I pressed him to give up his design, and that I had something to communicate to him before he went. He promised to dine with me. On his not coming, I was under apprehensions, and expressed them to Mr. Stuart. Major Maclane and I went to his hotel, and though we saw the doctor look out of the window, we enquired for him, and the servant said he was not at home, but that he was in Paris. I enquired again in the evening. They told me he went in the afternoon of that day. I then went and wrote my letter, which has been read, having told Mr. Fox the thing mentioned in the letter. When I received Mr. Fox's answer, I sent a servant express, who could not overtake him. The letter was forwarded: I received two answers from him; the first I have lost, it was to call me to an account for what I had done: in this, which is the second, and is very short, he says, the only reason he could not return was, his apprehension that he might injure the persons from whom he had the intelligence. I have frequently mentioned this to col. Barré, Mr. Sheriff Townsend, and several others. As our story differs materially in point of fact, the House will weigh whether I could have ever had any inducement to frame this tale. (Dr. Musgrave says, he never wrote a letter to call him to account.) Letter read: "I beg to be excused from answering your letter at present till I see Mr. Stuart, &c." I did, on my honour, receive another letter, and shewed it to several persons. Dr. Musgrave. Did you decline introducing me to col. Barré ?—Yes. Did you not invite me to dine with col. Barré?—Yes; but you asked me to introduce you on this business, and I declined it. Colonel Barré. Mr. Macleane invited several young men and me, and Dr. Musgrave to dinner, but no form of introduc tion. That was the only time I saw Dr. Musgrave, till he called on me in London. Mr. Macleane. He told me he would apply to the House of Commons, &c. I said, you had better apply to col. Barré, who will make you drop your proceedings, though I cannot. Col. Barré. I often heard Mr. Macleane speak on this occasion. He had given me a favourable impression of Dr. Musgrave's character. That was the reason I gave him the advice I did. As you mention D'Eon in your paper delivered to lord Halifax, why did you say that you first heard D'Eon's name mentioned by Mr. Conway?-It was at Paris that I first heard D'Eon could discover it; but from Mr. Conway that D'Eon was disposed to discover it. Mr. Conway spoke of it as a report, that D'Eon had dropped hints of this matter, and then asked me, if I had heard it, and would go to Mr. D'Eon. I said I would not. Have you any thing else to say, or any other information to give to the House? I would make some remarks on the information which I received at Paris. I told lord Halifax when I first saw him, that this was not mere coffee-house discourse, but that I had received my intelligence from persons of credit. I mentioned to him the secretary of the Sardinian embassy. That the paper I then left him was not evidence. That I never considered it as such, but merely as a ground of further enquiry. I apprehend that enquiries made by magistrates, are previous to evidence. That when evidence is once given, there is an end of enquiry. That it is usual for magistrates to issue their warrants to apprehend and commit persons merely on suspicion, and this without evidence. I desired that he would, in the first place, send for sir George Yonge, and Mr. Fitzherbert, which I conceive he should have done. Indeed they were then both out of place. Why did he not send for them? that would have satisfied me. 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