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baron of the exchequor, I think Baron Gente; togither with the Archbishop of Canterburie, the Bishop of London, the Bishop of Winchester, certaine of their chancellors and civil doctors with their registers and scribes. The 24. of March.

I being brought before the Archbishop of Cant. he made knowne vnto me that they were authorised by her Maiestie to examine me vpon my oath vpon certaine interrogatories, and therefore called for a booke; ther was brought a great . Bible in folio faire bound, which the Archbishop refused, and called for an other, which was held to me by one of his men, and I commaunded to lay my

it.
Bar. To what ende?
Cant. To sweare.
Bar. I hauc not learned to sweare by any creatures.
Cant. This is the word of God, the Bible.

Bar. I began to open the book, and meant in deed to haue asked him, if the Apocrypha scripture, and notes which were in it, were the word of God; but Cant. belike suspecting some such matter, would not suffer me to look into it; to whom then I answered that that book was not the eternal word of God, that eternal God himself, by whom onely I must sweare, and not by any bookes or bibles.

Cant. So yow shal sweare by God.

Bar. To what purpose then is this booke vrged? I may sweare by nothing besides hiin, nor by nothing with him.

Winch. How proue yow that?

Bar. It is so commanded in the book of the law, Deut. Chapt. vi. and 13. so expounded by sundrie of the prophets, by Christ himself and his apostles.

Cant, Wel wil yow swcare that yow wil answer nothing but the truth, and the whole truth, to such interrogatories as we shall demaund of yow?

Bar. I haue learned to know the matter before I either sweare or answere,

Cant. Set downe that he will not sweare,

L. C. Iust. Yow shal onely sweare to answer the truth, if any vnlawful thing be demaunded of yow, yow need not answere.

Bar. My Lord, euery truth requireth not an oath, ther must great regard and reverence be vsed in an oath, and an oath for confirmation ought to be the ende of al strife : my lord, if I should erre, and deliuer it vpon mine oath for truth, it were a double sinne; likewise if I should eyther not know, not remember, or not vtter the whole truth, I were by such a rash oath forsworne: but by Gods Grace I wil answere nothing but the truth.

Cant. A. Christian mans word ought to be as his Oath, we wit proceed with yow without your oath, and taking a paper of interrogatories in his hand, said, what say yow to this? Is it lawful to say the Pater noster publickly in the church, or privately, as a prayer or no?

Bar. I know not what yow mcane by your Pater noster, volesse, peradventure, that forme for prayer which our Sauiour Christ taught his disciples, commonly called the Lordes Prayer.

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Cant. 1.so meane. Then commanded he the first question to be thus written.

Quest. 1. Whither he thinketh the Lordes Prayer may publickly in the church, or privatly be vsed as a prayer or no ? . When I had expressed my mind, the Archbishop commaunded it should be recorded; but I desired the iudges that I might with my owne hande write my owne answers, which was graunted me. My answer then to the first question was:

Answ. It is to be vsed to that ende for which it was giuen by our Saviour Christ to his disciples, as a summarie ground worke or foundation of al faithful prayers, wherby to instruct and assure their consciences, that their petitions are according to the wil and glory of God: but that these prescript words are ininyned, or that Christ or his apostles euer vsed them as or in their prayer, I finde not in the scripture. Moreouer, I see not how it can be vsed as a prayer, seeing that our particuler wantes, and present occasions and necessities, are not therin expressed. And therfore I think it not to be vsed as a prayer. Heere the Archbishop cried out for breuitie, and would not suffer me to answer any more questions at large.'

Quest. 2. Whither he thinketh that any leitourgies, or prescript formes of prayer, may be imposed vpon the church; and whither al read and stinted prayers be mere babling in Gods sight.

Answ. I find in the worde of God no such authoritie giuen to any man, neither such stinted leitourgies prescribed or vsed in the primitiue churches; and therfore hold it bigh presumtion to impose any one deuised Apocrypha praier vpon the church.

Quest. 3. Whither he thinketh that the common praiers, commaunded by the publick authoritie of this land, be idolatrous, superstitious, and popish

Answ. I thinke that this book of common prayer, publickly inioyned and received in the assemblies of this land, is wel nigh altogither idolatrous, superstitious, and popish,

Quest. 4. Whither he thinketh that the sacramentes, which are publickly administred in the church of England, be truc sacramentes or no?

Answ. I thinke that the sacramentes, as they are ministred in these publick assemblies, are not true sacramentes ; and seal not the fauout and blessing of God unto them.

Quest. 5. Whither he thinketh that the lawes and gouernment of the church of England, now by authoritie established, be vnlawful and antichristian, or no?

Answ. Because the lawes, decrees, and canons of 50 many and infinite, I can not judge of them al, because I know not al; but this I say, that many of them, as also your ecclesiastical courtes and Gouernours, are unlau ful and antichristian.

Quest. 6. Whither he thinketh that such as haue bene baptised in the church of England, since Queene Elisabethes reigne, haue bene rightly baptised, or ought to be baptised againe!

Answ. I thinke as before of your sacramentes, that they haue not bene rightly baptised, according to the institution of Christ : yet that

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they need not, neither ought to be baptised againe. I doubt, least the archbishop hearing my answer of rebaptising, caused it to be left out of the question, and my answer, taking that which might best serue their owne turne, to bring vs into suspicion of error,

and hatred. Herevnto many speeches arising of the true and false sacramentes, ministerie, gouernment, as also of the true and false church : I shewed that the false church had also her sacramentes, ministerie, gouernment, though not aright. Then Iudge Anderson caused this question to be made to me:

Quest. 7. Whither the church of England, as it standeth now established, be the true established church of Christ'; and whither the people therin be the true and faithful people of God, or no?

Answ. I thinke that these parish assemblies, as they stand generally in England, are not the true established churches of Christ ; and that the people, as they now stand in disorder and confusion in them, are not to be held the true and faithful people of Christ. Here the Iudge Anderson took exception as the Bishop of London also' at these wordes parish assemblies.' I answered the iudge, that I could not for some weightie respectes spare him that word; for I doubted not, but that the Lord had many pretious and elect vessels among them, whom he wil in his good time cal forth, whom it became not me absolutely to iudge, least I should enter into Gods scat: Yet I could not, in the mean time, whiles they stand members of these assemblies, count them faithful. To the Bishope I said, that when they should better consider of mine answer, they should haue lesse cause to finde fault. Much trouble we had before we ould agree of the state and wordes of their questions, with putting out and changing, which discourses it is not my purpose here to set downe, so much as the questions and answers agreed vpon and recorded; although, for some causes knowne to myselfe, and to some of their consciences, which may hercafter be knowne to al the world, I thought it not impertinent to insert this.

Quest. 8. Whither he thinketh the Queenes Maiestie be supremo Gouernour of the church ; and whither she may make lawes for the church, which are not contrary to the worde of God, or no

Answ. I thinke the Queenes Maiestie supreme gouernor of the whole Jand, and ouer the church also, bodies and goods ; but I thinke that no Prince, neither the whole world, neither the church it self, may make any lawes for the church, other than Christ hath already left in his worde. Yet I thinke it the dutie of euery christian, and principally of the Prince, to enquire out and renue the lawes of God, and stir up al their subiectes to more diligent and careful keeping of the same. As we had much a-doe to come to the state of this question, so the Bishopes shewed themselues euil satisfied with my answer, and said, that the papistes dealt more simply then I did ; and surely they very grecvouslic interrupted me with slanders, euilspeeches and blasphemies, · during the time of my writing these answers, especially the bishope of London ; so that I was euen inforced sometime to turne unto him, and shew him of his shameless vntruthes and slanders. The cheef justice of Englande here saide, that he thought I answered uery directly and compendiously. Here again, vpon some speech that arusc, the Iudge

Anderson asked me, Whither I thought it lawful to hang a theef or no ?

a I answered, that ther were many kinde of theeues, as sacrilegious tbeeues, men-stealers, &c. that these ought by the lawes of God to die. Then, he said, he meant ordinary theeues of goodes and chattels. I saide, that God in the law had ordeyned an other kinde of punishment for such; whervpon the Bishope framed this question.

Qucst. 9. Whither it be lawful for the prince to alter the iudicial lawe of Moses, according to the state of her countrie and pollicie, or no?

Answ. I ought to be wise in sobrietie, and not to answer more then I know. Great doubt and controversie hath bene about this question a long time, but, for my part, I cannot see that any more of the judicial lawe was or can be abrogated by any mortal man or oountrie, vpon what occasion soeuer, then belonged to the ceremonial lawe and worship of the temple, for which we haue receiued other lawes and worship in Christes testament; but that the iudgements, due and set downe by God for the transgression of the moral lawe, cannot be changed or altered, without iniury to the moral lawe and God himself. Yet this

, as al my other answers by protestation, that, if any man can better instruct me therein by the word of God, I am alwayes ready to change my minde. Wherupon the cheef justice of Englande saide, I spake wel; and therefore said, If I were in doubt, mine answer ought not to be taken. I said, I doubted not, but had set downe my minde. Yet the Bishopes, because my answer fitted not their turnes, as I think, commaunded the question and answer to be blotted out.

Quest. 10. Whither he thinketh that any priuate man may take vpon him to reforme, if the Prince wil not, or neglect? I asked, whither they meant of a publick reformation of the state, or of a priuate or personal reformation of himself and his family: it was saide, of a publick reformation.'

Answ. I thinke that no man may intermedle with the princes office, without lawful calling thervnto; and therfore it is vtterly vnlawful for any priuate man to reforme the state, without his good liking and license, because the Prince shal account for the defaultes of his publick gouernment, and not priuate men, so they be not guiltie with the Prince in his offences, but absteine and keep themselues pure from doing or consenting to any vnlawful thing commaunded by the Prince, which they most doe, as they tender their ownc saluation.

Quest. 11. Whither he thinketh that euery parish, or particuler church, ought to have a presbyterie?

Answ. The holy gouerninent of Christ belongeth not to the prophane or unbeleeuing, neither can it, without manifest sacrilege, bet set ouer these parishes, as they now stande in confusion, no difference made betwixt the faithful and vnbelecuing, al being indifferently receiued into the body of the church; but ouer euery particuler congregation of Christ ther ought to be an eldership, and cuery such congregation ought, to their vttermost power, to endeuour therinto. Now was I dismissed, and committed againe to my keeper, with streight charge that no man might speak to me. During this time, others of my bretbren were examined) ; which bring done, I was called for in vnto

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them; where Canterburie shewed me the statute of supremacie, and asked me, if I would take an oath according to the same. I saide, that in that forme I could not, neither could I sweare to such successors as I knew not; but to her Maiestie, I acknowledged her authoritie, as I had expressed in my article, and protested my life, in defence of her person, prerogatiue, and dignitie, loyally against al forreine and domestical enemies, whither spiritual or temporal. The Archbishope sajde, that the papistes made a better and more dutiful oath then this. I said it was not true, they denyed not, neither defied the Pope; but I was ready to giue and performe as much unto my prince as any true subiect ought to doe. He asked me againe, whither the church of Christ “if the Prince deny or refuse to neglect abuses' may, without staying for the prince, reforme them? I saide, that it might and ought, though al the Princes of the world should prohibit the same vpon paine of death. He asked me againe, whither the church of Christ might excommunicate the prince, and who should pronounce it; I said, that sin, obstinatly stood in, did excommunicate, and that the church ought to have iudgement ready against cuery transgression, without respect of persons, and that the pastor of the church ought to pronounce it; and alleaged, that excommunication was giuen vnto the church, as the onely and last remedie for the saluation of the partic in such cases, and that the neglect therof was both the neglect of Gods iudgementes, their dutie, and the Princes saluation; and that they might as wel take away al admonitions and reprehensions from Princes, and so Princes were in a most miserable case.

These, my answers, were not written with mine owne hand, but by the register : and was I sent againe with more commaundementes, yet to keep me more streightly. I requested at both times a copy of my answers, but the Archbishope denyed it me.

Vpon the 18th day of the 3. moneth, I Henry Barrowe, close prisoner in the Fleet, was sent for in al post-hast, by one Ragland, a gentleman of the lord chancellors, to his lordes chamber at the court at White-hall; wher being arrived, I found, in a withdrawing chamber, 12. of the brethren, among a great number of other attendantes, with whom I could not haue any one word: but, after that Ragland had signified my coming, I was forthwith sent for into that chamber, where sate at the boord the Archbishope in his Pontificalibus, the Lord Chancellor, the Lord Treasurer, the Lord Buckhurst, the Bishope of London in his Pontificalibus:, at the lower ende of the chamber stood Dr. Some, Iustice Young, and others.

Being kneeled downe at the ende of the table, the Lord Treasurer began, and asked me my name; which, when I had told him, he asked me, if I had not bene sometime of the court: I answered, that I had sometime frequented the court: he saide, he remembred me not.

L. Treas. Why are yow in prison, Barrowe?
Bar. I am in prison, my lord, upon the statute made for recusantes,
I.. Treus. Why wil yow not goe to church?
Bar. My whole desire is to come to the church of God.

L. Treas. Thow art a fantastical fellow, I see, but why not to our churches ?

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