tell that gentleman that you found a number of people in the park?-Yes.

Was it a dozen ?-A good many.

What do you mean by a good many; were there as many as a hundred ?—I cannot say; I never reckoned them; it was more than I could count.

You found, however, a good many people there; were they waiting there?-No, they were passing inside the park.

I understood you to tell that gentleman that when you arrived at this place in the park, where you stopped some time, you found several people there; I want to know whether the people you found there were resting there or going on?-They were not waiting there.

You say that you remained some time in the park; how long, as well as you can remember, did you remain in the park?About an hour.

Will you tell me about what time it was that you left the park to go on?-No, I cannot.

Just let us see; you must have left your own place a little before seven?-Well, I cannot tell you.

But you must try and tell me; how long would it take you to go from your house a mile and three quarters to the park; what rate or pace did you go; were you half an hour going, or an hour, or what?-I cannot answer that.

We will try and find it out in this way; you went from the park to the weighing-machine, did you not?--Yes.

How far is it from the park, where you then stood, to the weighing-machine?-A mile and a half from where we started. How long did you stop at the weighing-machine?—The place where I left them?

Did you go home from the weighing-machine ?—Yes.

Did you stop in the engine-house?-Perhaps I was a quarter of an hour or 20 minutes in the engine-house.

Was that while the people were going on towards Newport ?They were turning back when I came out.

Is the weighing-machine near enough to Newport for you to have heard the firing; did you hear the firing ?-No.

But, however, when you came out, which you say was about a quarter of an hour or 20 minutes after you had arrived at the weighing-machine, the people were turning back?—Yes. You are sure of that?-Yes.

Now, I want to know long it was, as nearly as you can say, before you left the park, that you saw Mr. Frost ?-I saw Mr. Frost at the park, before the gang.

So you have said; but I am asking the time when; how long was it before you saw him in the park, during the hour that you think you stopped there?-I cannot answer that.

Was it a minute or two, or half an hour?--I cannot say.

You must answer the question; do not be impatient, but listen; you say you stopped in the park about an hour; did you see Mr. Frost immediately after your arrival there?--I saw him while we stopped in the park, five minutes after we stopped there. How long did you keep him in sight; you saw him forming the men ?--I cannot answer that.

Did you see him more than once while you were in the park? --I did not see him afterwards.

Did you see him forming the people afterwards?-No.

You saw him about five minutes after you arrived at the park, forming the men, as you say, and not afterwards?—No.

When you first saw him, could you tell me which way he appeared to come from? --He was going towards Newport.

You told me you did not see him afterwards; that is where you saw him go. I want to know, when you first set your eyes upon Mr. Frost, where did he appear to come from; which way; did he appear as if he were coming from Tydû, or from Newport, or from neither one way nor the other?--From Tydû; from Pye-corner.

Re-examined by Mr. Wightman.

When last you saw Mr. Frost, which way was he going?-He was going towards Newport.

Mr. John Nichol Hawkins sworn.

Examined by Mr. Talbot.

I believe you are a surgeon ?--Yes.

Practising and residing at Newport ?--Yes.

You remember the morning of Monday the 4th of November?--I do.

Were you out on that morning, on the road between Newport and Risca ?--I was.

Did you see any persons coming along that road?—I did.
What time was that?--Between eight and nine.

In what number were those persons that you saw; were they many or few?-1 should say about a hundred.

Did you observe whether they had any thing in their hands? --They were armed with pikes, tops of scythes; and one person, in particular, I saw with a sword; the last.

Do you know Pye-corner ?--I do.

How far from Pye-corner was it you saw those persons?--At Pye-corner.

In what direction were they going?--Newport.

In what direction were they coming with respect to Risca ?-They were coming from Risca, going on towards Newport. There is a tram-road there, I believe?-There is.

Were they upon the tram-road, or upon the other road?-Upon the tram-road.

Do you know Zephaniah Williams?--I do.

Did you see him that morning?--I did.

Where?--On the tram-road; I saw him at Pye-corner, and on the tram-road.

How far from the other persons?-He was intermixed with them, some before and some behind him.

Did you say any thing to any of those persons?--I did.

What was it?--I told them to go back; there were two or three packets of soldiers arrived in Newport; they had better go back. Did any person give you any answer to that?--He did. Who?--Zephaniah Williams.

What did he say?-I believe, I will not be quite certain of all the words he told me, but only of this part of the evidence; he damned the soldiers, and said, "Come on, and he would show what the colliers could do in Newport." There was some

more.

He said, "Come on; damn the soldiers;" he would show what the colliers could do in Newport. To whom were those words addressed ?--To the mob that was with him.

What was the last that you saw of that party?—I fancied, but I would not be certain, that he put his hand to draw a pistol, and I went on.

When you last saw those persons, were they moving on or stationary ?--Going on.

Still in the same direction?--Yes.

Cross-examined by Sir F. Pollock.

Where were you going at that time?-I was going to Llanvrechoa or Michaelstone-y-Vedw.

Is that the same place?-That is farther on.

How far is that on? Perhaps it is four or five miles on; I cannot exactly say.

How far to Newport from where you were going?-Six or seven miles; I should think so; I will not be certain as to that. I do not ask you to a yard or two; was it more than six, and ess than seven ?--That I do not know.

I do not want it exactly; how long have you lived in Newport? I should say between six and seven months; I have told you before.

At what time did you return to Newport?-When the mob were dispersing.

I ask you what time, and not with reference to any fact-Perhaps in two hours after I met them, or it might be an hour and a half; I will not exactly say.

Perhaps it might be more?—No, I do not think it was.

Do you mean you are quite certain you returned to Newport within two hours?--Yes; I met them all going back.

At the time you were returning, you found them coming back?--I did.

Whatever there had been of riot or tumult, it was then over ?-Yes.

Can you tell me with any precision the hour you met them ?--I have stated before.

Have you any objection to state it again; I beg your pardon for giving you so much trouble ;-Probably between eight and nine. I thought I had seen you putting it down.

You must excuse my impertinence in asking the question, but what time between eight and nine?--I cannot say to quarters of minutes.

Can you say to half an hour?--No; I will say between eight and nine.

You cannot swear nearer than that; can you tell me what time of the day you returned?--I have told you, in less than two hours.

Never mind what you have told me; just answer the question; what was the time of the day you returned ?—Perhaps, near 11 o'clock.

Was it not past 11 o'clock before you returned?—I will not

say.

I mean to Newport; was it not past 11 when you returned back ?--I do not think it was.

Can you undertake to say that it was not?--No; I will not; I do not know exactly what time it was, I am sure; there was so much confusion I did not notice the time.

I suppose you heard nothing of the firing?--No.

Where abouts do you live in Newport ?--Near the bridge.
Have you a family there?-Yes.

What do they consist of?--What has that to do with the evidence?

Upon your solemn oath I call upon you to tell me of whom your family does consist?--I shall not answer it. My Lord, I do not know what that has to do with the prisoner.

Lord Chief Justice Tindal. I do not know why you should object to answering it.

-They are ten.

Sir F. Pollock. I want to know what they consist of?--Five brothers and five sisters.

Is that besides yourself, or including yourself?-Including myself.

You live all together, as one family?—Yes.

Does any member of your family except the brothers and sisters live in that house?--No, no one besides.

Your father or mother, or any other relation ?--No.

What were you going to this place about?--I was called to a case of midwifery there.

How long did you stay there?-Not a quarter of an hour.
Did you go straight home?—No.

Where did you go to?- I went to see some more patients. Will you tell me where you went to ?—I went to three or four places.

Will you have the kindness just to name them; will you name any place that you went to?-Persons whose houses were near; I went to different persons' houses. I do not know why I should give those names.

I really must beg your pardon again, but will you have the kindness to answer the question; you see you have been sworn to speak the whole truth?-

Mr. Attorney-general. "Touching the matter in question."

Sir F. Pollock. If my learned friend means to say that by no possibility this can touch the matter in question, I appeal to my Lord; I am not putting those questions idly by any means.

Lord Chief Justice Tindal. You can give an account generally of where you went, and then it will be sooner over.

-Very good, my Lord. I went on to a magistrate's house.
Sir F. Pollock. What is the name of the magistrate?--Mr.
Coles.

Is he a patient of yours ?--No, he is not.

How came you just now to tell me that you went to some patients, and conceal the fact that you went to Mr. Coles, the magistrate ?--When I went to see the patient the case terminated, and I went immediately on to Mr. Coles, to inform him what I had seen.

Why were you ashamed of stating that?-I did not know that I was obliged to tell you all that I had done.

Where does Mr. Coles live ?-In the same parish.

Where in the parish ?--In Michaelstone-y-Vedw, near the church.

How long were you with him?-Not 10 minutes.

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Then, I ask you, did you then go back to Newport?—I did; not all the way to Newport; I went on towards Newport. had to see some more people.

How many patients did you go to afterwards?--Two or

three.

How long did you stop with them?--Not long, because I wanted to go back to see what was going on.

By this time you have found out the object of my question, and you have answered it. I have nothing more to say to you; good morning.

Foreman of the Jury. My Lord, I wish to put a question. [To the witness.] Did you meet a larger body of men than the one