ridiculous interpretations of scripture, is what I cannot and will not allow! I am in earnest, and hope the gentleman understands me so. 'coming out an annihilationist ! He next says I am And why so? Because Christ, but all in him." cause he believes all will be raised in Christ? were I to talk as Mr. Franklin did on this subject, I should feel that you would be perfectly justified in saying that I had made a fool myself! I do not say that he has done so; nor would I have you understand that I think so-but were I to do so I should feel myself justly obnoxious to the charge! I said "none will be raised out of The gentleman will tell you, to be in Christ is to be a "new creature" that it means a justified state. I have admitted this, and have showed you that ALL are eventually to be in Christ, for all are to be made alive in him. The gentleman dare not admit that all will be made alive in Christ; for he knows to do this would be equivalent to admitting that all will be "justified"-holy and happy. He admits there will be a resurrection of all mankind, but denies that any will be "made alive in Christ," but such as are in him, i. e. get into him in this life. To meet him here I have said that "none will ever be raised out of Christ," and I repeat it! I assert it, my friends, here, and in the face of the world"none will ever be raised from the dead out of Christ!" The Bible knows of no resurrection out of Christ! If ever a mortal man-mortal now, but then immortal-is raised from the dead, it will be in Christ. "I am the resurrection and the life," said the Savior. "God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son." The Bible, I repeat, knows of no resurrection out of Christ. Will all mankind be raised from the dead? Then will all be immortal and happy-for all shall be made alive in Christ. Mr. Franklin thinks, " according to this doctrine a man must be in Christ in order to secure a resurrection from the dead." Not so. He must be "in Adam"-this is all the title he needs to secure a resurrection from the dead." I wish the gentleman could understand me! I repeat it, my friends, and may you never forget it; none will ever be raised from the dead out of Christ, but all will be raised in him! Mr. Franklin introduces Isa. 45: 23, 24, and Phil. 2: 911, as proof-texts for me. The gentleman is certainly very kind; but I will inform him that I can attend to my own business! I can introduce my own proof-texts! I feel under no obligations to pay any attention to them; still I will remark that they fall far short of proving what he intended. I tell him I do not carry these passages beyond the resurrection. They are to be fulfilled within Christ's reign. Though Paul says we must all stand before the judgment seat of Christ " and refers to the passage in Isa. to prove it, there is nothing said in opposition to the final salvation of all mankind. Christ's judgment seat does not extend beyond the resurrection! Let the gentleman bear this in mind. 66 My opponent having got tired of debating with me, has lit upon a "Universalist Tract," and has joined issue with that! I have no doubt, if he will give the tract a fair chance, but he will find himself beat again! But as I have matters of more importance to attend to, I shall not interfere in the dispute, but will proceed to introduce some more evidence in favor of the proposition that all mankind will eventually be made holy and happy. "For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that hath the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them, who, through fear of death, were all their lifetime subject to bondage.' Heb. 2: 14, 15. 99 Here we are told in the first place, that the devil is to be destroyed! And not only so, but "the children," the partakers of "flesh and blood," are to be delivered from that "bondage" which results from a "fear of death." How well this corresponds with the 8th of Romans. The whole creation shall be "delivered" from the "bondage" of corruption, into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 'These passages are undoubtedly parallel. But notice-"deliver them who through fear of death, were all their lifetime, subject to bondage." Why subject to bondage through fear of death? Because they feared there was no life beyond death-or if a life, then a miserable one; they were in doubts and in fears. The gospel, when correctly understood, and believed, delivers men from this bondage, this fear of death; for they see a bright immortality ahead-not only for themselves, but for all that partake of "flesh and blood," all that "die in Adam," for all mankind. And not only so, but Christ is to deliver them, who were all their lifetime subject to bondage. This then reaches beyond their "lifetime." Yes, all who were subject to bondage all their lifetime, and who died in this "bondage," are to be "delivered" and delivered, too, into the glorious liberty of the children of God! I must again refer to the 15th of 1 Cor. The 26th verse is so much to the point, that I must quote it here. "The last enemy, death, shall be destroyed." My friends, Mr. Franklin has been trying to make you believe there is a worse and greater enemy beyond death. But death is the lást enemy of man, and that is to be destroyed! And when is it to be destroyed? At the resurrection. Death can only be destroyed when "swallowed up in victory," when all shall triumph over it-when the last child of mortality shall be raised from the dead. This will be at the general resurrection-when all who have died in Adam, shall be made alive in Christ. And recollect, death is the last enemy! There is to be no enemies beyond the resurrection-neither of God nor man. No sin-no suffering-no devil to torment! The devil, as we have just seen, is also to be destroyed-but this will be before death is destroyed, for death is the last enemy! Sin is destroyed at death-and death, which is the last enemy, will be destroyed at the resurrection! Remember this, my friends, for it is of itself, a pillar in our most holy faith-firm as the rock of ages! One more passage, and I am done. I allude to the passage in Revelations, (5: 13,) where John caught a view in the far distant future, of the final triumph of the Redeemer, of the "restitution of all things." Hear him. "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto Him that siteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb, forever and ever." [Time expired.] MR. FRANKLIN'S FOURTH REPLY. MR. CHAIRMAN: I should think myself imposing on the good judgment of this respectable audience, should I intimate such a thing, as that they would be liable to look upon the speech you have just heard, as containing any argument. I had taken the gentleman's arguments so completely out of his hands, that he saw no possible chance to redeem them, or to save himself from a most manifest discomfiture. Finding himself in this predicament, he seemed at times to get into perfect paroxysms of wrath, and could scarcely refrain from calling me a fool. Now, there was something in that evil spirit manifested in his last speech, that I do not so well know how to reconcile with one branch of his doctrine. He believes, you know, that men are punished for all their sins, in this life, and that they get their reward, whether it be good or bad, as they pass along. He also, believes that he is a minister of Christ, and that he is now contending for the faith once delivered to the Saints, and that I am a preacher of false doctrine, and that too, one of the worst and most damnable of all the false doctrines ever preached. Well, you know that the curse of God, is upon the preacher of any other doctrine than that preached by the apostles, and that if any man adds to or takes away from that doctrine, the plagues of the book shall be added to him or his part taken out of the book of life. Well, now if all this comes to pass in this life-if all this punishment falls upon a man as he goes along, and if I am the preacher of false doctrine upon whom it falls, I can assure you, that it is quite a comfortable hell, and that I enjoy myself exceedingly well. But if my friend is now receiving the reward of the righteous, it is strange that he is not more happy! If I should become so confused and perplexed as he did, in his last speech, I should look upon it as any thing else but happiness. I do not wish to make the impression that Mr. M. is a bad man by this, for I do not believe I could restrain myself any better than he does, were I in the same predicament. The gentleman still keeps trying to explain his salvation. from sin in a world where there will be no sin; but every effort he makes, only makes the matter worse. He said he had never been so green as to preach salvation from sin in the coming world. But not twenty words afterwards, he contends that man will enjoy a salvation from sin in the future world. Thus you see, that in one breath he is not so green as to preach such doctrine, and in the next, he says he believes it! According to this, he is not so green as to preach what he believes. Now if I should accuse him of this, as he has now accused himself, he would talk in as determined language as he did in his last speech, when he declared that he would not stand it. Being saved from sin, with him, is the same as being saved from insanity. But I deny that any one is saved from insanity in the world to come. There is no insanity in that world to be saved from. Men have been saved from it in this world, but insanity is not a disease of the soul, but of the body, and consequently, the death of the body terminates it; but sin is a disease of the soul or spirit, and consequently, the death of the body does not terminate it! He quoted the words, "He that is dead is freed from sin."-Rom. 6: 7, to prove that man is saved from sin after death. But the apostle is not speaking of the death of the body in that passage. The Roman brethren with the apostle himself, were dead in the sense in which he there speaks. At the 5th verse he says, "If we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection." The apostle and his brethren then had been planted together, in the likeness of the death of Jesus, but their bodies were still living. By referring to the 4th verse, you will see that they were not only dead with him, but had been buried with him, and raised up to walk in a new life. They were then living in body, walking in a new life, but "dead indeed unto sin," as expressed in the 11th verse. It is no trouble for my friend to decide that the death of the body or literal death, (2 Tim. 4: 1,) is spiritual death, and thus, when he comes to Roman 6: 7, to explain death as |